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Tallahassee City Commission Feb. 8th 2023 Meeting Transcript

Transcript of the Tallahassee City Commission February 8, 2023 Meeting


Tallahassee City Commission
City Commission Meeting
Feb 08, 2023, 3:00 p.m. ET

Meeting Recording | Agenda


  • Presentations:
    • 5.01 Presentation of Proclamation – Florida State University Small Coed Cheerleading Team’s National Championship Title -- Mayor John E. Dailey
    • 5.02 Honor Flight Tallahassee Presentation -- Mayor John E. Dailey
    • 5.03 Presentation of Proclamation -- Black History Month -- Mayor John E. Dailey
    • 5.04 Presentation of Proclamation -- 80th Anniversary of the United Way of the Big Bend -- Mayor John E. Dailey
  • Consent:
    • 8.01 Acceptance of Firehouse Subs Public Safety Foundation In-Kind Grant Award -- Chief Jerome Gaines, Fire Department
    • 8.02 Approval to File, Execute, and Administer the FY24 Section 5311 Off-Cycle Federal Transit Administration Grant and Adopt Resolution No. 23-R-05 -- Angela Baldwin, StarMetro
    • 8.03 Approval of Resolution 23-R-03, Grant Funding Application for the Paul Russell Road Sidewalk Improvement Project -- Steve Shafer, Underground Utilities & Public Infrastructure
    • 8.04 Approval of Subdivision Plat - 905 Briarcliffe Subdivision -- Steve Shafer, Underground Utilities & Public Infrastructure
  • Introduction of Ordinances:
    • 11.01 Introduction of Ordinance No. 23-O-02, Adopting an Annual Update to the Tallahassee-Leon County Comprehensive Plan Capital Improvements Schedule, and Setting the First and Only Public Hearing for February 22, 2023 -- Artie White, Planning
    • 11.02 Introduction of Ordinance No. 23-0-03, Providing for Enforcement of Penalties for Excavation Violations, and Setting the First and Only Public Hearing for February 22, 2023 -- Tony Guillen, Electric and Gas
    • 11.03 Introduction of Ordinance 23-Z-01, Proposed Amendment to the Capital Circle Office Complex Planned Unit Development (PUD) Concept Plan Located on 341.41 Acres Along Capital Circle Between Blair Stone Road and Tram Road, and Setting the First and Only Public Hearing for February 22, 2023 -- Artie White, Planning
  • Policy Formation and Direction:
    • 12.01 (ITEM DELETED) Noise Ordinance Update -- Chief Lawrence Revell, Police Department
    • 12.02 Vacant Property Registration -- John Reddick, Growth Management and Kimball Thomas, Housing & Community Resilience
    • 12.03 Approval to Apply for the 2023 RAISE Grant -- Angela Baldwin, StarMetro

Unedited Transcript

City Manager Reese Goad

Yes, sir. We're recording the meeting. And we're working as we speak to make sure it's streaming as well.

Okay, excellent. Do we have any agenda modifications for today?

City Manager Reese Goad

Yes, sir. Item 12. A one which was an update on the noise ordinance that's been pulled to be brought back at a later date. We're going to work a little bit more on that with the citizens and the businesses that have engaged on that topic.

Okay, so 12.01 has been pulled from the agenda. Yes, sir. Any any questions?

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

I was a comment. It's been a long time on this noise ordinance. I think people are anxious to see us pick up the discussion. I don't know what is causing the delay. But I think it's imperative we get it. We get it done ASAP.

Absolutely. And I know that the city manager and city attorney are continuously working on this item together. Okay, with that we have four presentations today.

I'd like to ask my colleagues to please come join me for these presentations because they are absolutely special. And I want to thank each and every one of you again for waiting an hour and a half while we get everything settled. Ladies and gentlemen, it is my honor and privilege and I would like to ask the national championship Florida State University coed cheerleading squad to please come forward

I cannot tell you how proud we are of you for this amazing feat. I mean bringing home the heart Where I see that you got your national championship mom of metals. You ordered the rings last night you got the hardware. Hey, this is fantastic. Not only do you represent yourselves in the university, but you represent the City of Tallahassee, and we are very, very proud. Come on over, don't be afraid. Come on over. Come on over. Coaches. Come join us

Mayor John Dailey


Dustin, I'm gonna give you about two minutes to figure out who's gonna speak on behalf of the team here as I read this proclamation, ladies and gentlemen from the governing body of the City of Tallahassee a proclamation, whereas the City of Tallahassee is honored to be home of the Florida State University Seminoles. And whereas the Florida State University small coed cheerleading team was crowned the UCA 2023 COVID national champions. And whereas this is the first time the Florida State University small coed cheerleading team has won a national title for Florida State University. And whereas the Florida State University coed cheerleading team was the only team in their division to hit zero, no deductions and no falls on both days of the competition. And whereas the Florida State University small co Ed team demonstrated the unconquered spirit that has guided many symbols to succeed in their future endeavors. And whereas the City of Tallahassee is proud to have a group of accomplished student athletes represent our great city on the collegiate level. Now therefore, I John II daily by the authority vested in me as the Mayor of the City of Tallahassee, do hereby recognize the Florida State University small coed cheerleading team for representing Florida State University and the City of Tallahassee at the UCA 2023 COVID. National Champions read into the record and witness of each and every one of you signed with my signature dated February 8 2023. Ladies and gentlemen here national champs.

Mayor John Dailey

represent the team first some comments or Dustin? Or who

Commissioner Curtis Richardson

and would you explain to us what small coId me

so small Cohen, as you can see, we have five guys up here. So it's a combination of the of the females and the male athletes on the team. So there's a couple different aspects to go until we have all row groups. That's a four person groups, back squat two bases in the top girl and then the guys

great stuff, we're very proud of you. I gotta tell you a personal note I had with the lighter I had so much fun

Mayor John Dailey

it's been a real treat and everything. Thank you very much.

All right, colleagues, if you don't want to remain with the stand here, that'd be great. At this time, I would like to invite the Mayor Pro Tem to present the next proclamation.

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

Thank you, Mayor. And we would like to ask the executive director, the Tallahassee, urban Lee, and other staff members of the Urban League to join us a proclamation for Black History. Let's celebrate black history. On a personal note, let me just say thank you, Mr. Taylor, for all that you and your family are doing in our community. To make a difference, you really are making a difference. Whereas the contributions of African Americans have helped shape and mold the rich history of our nation. And whereas African American history we celebrated in February was created in 1926 in the United States by historian Carter G. Woodson, and whereas Black History Month was first recognized by President Gerald Ford in 1976. And whereas, the Tallahassee Urban League founded in 1969, I was in first grade is an affiliate of The National Urban League and is a community based organization dedicated to empowering communities and changing lives in the areas of counseling, education, health, housing, jobs and civil rights. And whereas the Tallahassee Urban League's mission is to enable African Americans and others to ensure to secure social justice, economic self reliance, parity, power, evolving opportunities and civil rights. And whereas the City of Tallahassee continues to work towards a more diverse and inclusive city for all Now, therefore, he John Daly, the authority vested in him as Mayor of the City of Tallahassee, do hereby recognize February is Black History Month, as we continue to celebrate the contributions of African Americans not only this month, but throughout the entire year.

On behalf of our board, staff, our supporters, our citizens, and especially our class, we want to thank the mayor and the city commissioners, for not only recognizing Black History mark, but recognizing the Tallahassee cleverly doing Black History Month for mayor for to Mayor Daley. The city commissioners have been a partner of the town, certainly for over 4746 years. And during that time, we together we set a historical mount mark in 2018. And we rehab 1000 houses, let's give them a big round of applause. As we play a spa visit the City of Tallahassee just a water Osmo a million dollar contract to the tenant, certainly, to rehab houses and Frenchtown, which is very much needed. So when we think about Miss Johnson, we think about Miss Sally Sue, we think about all those other individuals that are low income citizens on a fixed income, and it's raining on them. So on behalf of our clients, we thank you. We want to thank CRA staff, John Baker, Ashley. And then we also want to thank Dr. Kimber Thomas, but now working with us to provide some additional resources so that we're not only rehabbing houses, but we are transforming press town. And so here again, we thank you, Mayor, we thank the City of Tallahassee, we think our commissioners, we thank you, we thank you, we thank you, we can't thank you enough. God bless Excellent.

I'm honored to recognize Commissioner Curtis Richardson for a proclamation on behalf of the United Way.

Thank you, Mayor. It is my honor to read this and present this proclamation to the United Way of the big band and we would ask Miss Bernice cots, Dr. Michelle Mitchum and others from your board I understand are here, Bernice? Just the two of you. Okay. All right. All right, y'all representing well, and the proclamation reads whereas on February 11 1943, nine concerned citizens chartered United Way of Leon County for the purpose of raising and distributing funds to charitable and character building agencies. And whereas the 1990, United Way of Leon County broadened its scope to incorporate seven neighboring counties and change the name to United Way of the big ban. And whereas United Way over the past 80 years has remained true to his founding goals to support human service programs in the Big Bend region, helping those living in poverty and the Alice population asset limited income constrained employed. That says a lot. I can remember that. And creating collaboration strategies that result in long lasting positive change and whereas, United Way of the big band as a trusted leader for addressing our community's most vital concerns, and impacting the root causes of poverty, focusing on creating access to attainable housing, and safe neighborhoods steady, affordable quality childcare, early education and literacy, providing consistent safety net services during times of financial stress. focusing on access to affordable health and mental health services and promoting and assisting in developing skills to meet future employment needs. And whereas the mission of raising awareness, mobilizing resources and finding collaborative targeted solutions to support families, individuals and a thriving community through leadership, accountability, integrity, focus and respect. Now, again, therefore, I John Daly, by the authority vested in me as Mayor of the City of Tallahassee, do hereby recognize Saturday, February 11 2023, as United Way of the big band day in the City of Tallahassee, and urge all citizens to continue to support United Way of the big band and encourage Tallahassee residents to support efforts to help their neighbors. So that may, so that we may all enjoy a high quality of life in Tallahassee now in into the future. And witness whereof I have here in to set my hand and cause the seal of the City of Tallahassee to be affixed. It is signed by our Mayor John Daly, on this, the eighth day of February 2023. Murray.

Thank you very much. Mr. Mayor, Commissioner, Richard Richardson, thanks so much for this honor. And to each of the commissioners on behalf of United Way, the Big Bend Board of Directors, I would like to thank each of you for the work you do every single day in this city. I know it's a lift sometimes. And I know you each are made for the lift. So please know that you're not aware the Big Ben appreciates the service and the work you do. We also appreciate the collaboration, the partnership that we have with the City of Tallahassee, we talk about 80 years, I can only imagine that 80 years, we've had a strong partnership with our City of Tallahassee, and that continues today. I also want to give recognition to the great the great staff and team that worked with us we really appreciate that the positive experience that we have with your with your staff, each and every day is just incredible. And so a big huge thank you to everyone on your team. We are again as you know, our our mission is to make sure that we are taking care and addressing the impacts and the needs of those that are in our city and county that live in poverty at the edge of poverty in that Alice population. And we are passionate about that as our each of you so thank you so much for this extreme honor and this proclamation thank you

all right, I'm gonna ask our colleagues to stay with us just for one more very special presentation, representing the Honor Flight organization for a presentation here today. I would like to invite the very rarely do we get this incredible opportunity. We have the former Sheriff Mike wood please come forward representing Honor Flight. And the former Mayor Tom appear please come forward to I was laughing called Tom. The mayor Woodgate. But what you might not know is he actually is a former mayor of his community in Florida before coming to Tallahassee and once a mayor Always, always. Absolutely. Gentlemen, please.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, please. I'm Tom Mayfield Vice Chairman Honor Flight. Mike was Bahaman. He's a board member and we as board members and also on a flight. Well, I could make a presentation to the mayor and all the City Commission for weather support for all the support they do For Honor Flight all these years. We started this thing in 1972. And we're up and going. And we got another flight on the 29th of April, which just means it's on Ninth flight. And this time I'm taking it over president as mayor, I want to open this letter pleaser. This is from the mic camp, the chairman of the board. We have 12 board members and all lumbar support. The Honor Flight Tallahassee will be nervous. Yeah. Well read it.

Thank you appreciate it. December 27 2022. Do you married Mayor Daley. We want to take this time to sincerely thank you for your support of Honor Flight Tallahassee, your ongoing support has helped us achieve our goals of honoring our war veterans for over 10 years now. You taking the time to acknowledge To the service and sacrifice of those veterans for so long ago means more than you could possibly imagine. We're working hard on our next flight with 80 more veterans, and it will happen on Saturday, April 29 2023. We hope that we might see you again on that day. We hope that you have a great new year. And we want to thank you for all that you do every day for our veterans. Sincerely, Matt Kim. Chairman. Thank you. Oh, wow. Thank you so much.

All right. Here's the best. I got something from the board of directors from Honor Flight, the mayor daily, and we don't know what we get to get through the front gate downstairs. We want you to open it up. I've been carrying nothing around with me here since Oh, my goodness.

Mayor John Dailey

Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Oh, wow. Well, on behalf of the city, I truly am honored to accept this. This is this is absolutely amazing. You know, the City of Tallahassee truly supports Honor Flight. It's an incredible program. And this is wonderful. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Mike. I really do appreciate that was great. We get a picture.

Thank you. Awesome. Well, I just was briefly say it's a privilege to be on Honor Flight and support the people that gave the ultimate sacrifice to secure our very freedoms to be here today. So the City of Tallahassee supporting our fliers gift, that is something we genuinely appreciate. demonstrate our appreciation. Thank you all for being excellent.

What a great way to start the meeting. Okay. Do we have any announcements? Mr. Manager? No, sir. Excellent. Do we have any appearances by other governing boards on boards? No, sir. We do not. Excellent. We are on the Consent Agenda. Have any of the consent agenda items been removed?

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

No, sir. Move acceptance of an agenda.

All right. Consent agenda has been properly moved by Mayor Pro Tem seconded by Commissioner Richardson. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Passes unanimously. Five, zero. We are on item number 10.01. The Affordable Housing advisory committee appointments.

Thank you, Mayor. Give me just one second to pull the item up. The Affordable Housing Advisory Committee has three positions where their term expires December 31 2022. So who fill those seats? We have two individuals scheduled for or recommended for reappointment and one new member, those returning members would be Michelle Nichols and Jesse Jones. Each is eligible to serve for another term and would serve for terms that go through December 31 of 2025. As would the newly appointed individual Christian Griffith. As you well know that board has certain seats that are required to be filled by people who fit certain profiles and and descriptions and that's been accomplished with this. So staff recommendation is to reappoint Michelle Nichols and Jesse Jones and to appoint Christian Griffith

do any public comment on this item? No, sir. Okay. Commissioner Richardson is our representative on the AHEC. I'm coming to you for comments direction.

I would move staff recommendation for option number one.

been properly moved by Commissioner Richardson seconded by the Mayor Pro Tem any further comment? None. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Passes unanimously. Five, zero. We are on the introduction of ordinance 11.1. Madam Attorney,

thank you. Item number 11.01 is the introduction of ordinance number 23 Dash Oh dash O to an ordinance of the City of Tallahassee updating the capital improvement element of the 2030 Tallahassee Leon County comprehensive plan, providing for severability and conflicts and providing an effective date recommended Action is option one introduced ordinance number 23. Dash Oh dash 02 and said the first and only public hearing for February 22 2023 At six o'clock pm in the City of Tallahassee City Commission chambers is City Hall.

Mayor John Dailey

All right. Do we have any public comment on this item? No, sir. All right,

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

colleagues, staff recommendation

been properly moved by the Mayor Pro Tem. Seconded by Commissioner Richardson. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Passes unanimously, five, zero, item 11.02. Madam Attorney,

thank you. Item number 11.02 is introduction of ordinance number 23 Dash Oh dash 03 an ordinance of the City of Tallahassee Florida. Amending chapter 21 article one section 21 desk seven utilities of the code of general ordinances of the City of Tallahassee regarding the enforcement of excavation penalties, writing for conflict, providing for severability and providing an effective date. recommended action is option one introduce ordinance number 23 Dash Oh dash 03 and said the first and only public hearing are February 22 2023. At six o'clock pm in the City of Tallahassee City Commission chambers is City Hall.

Right we have any public comment on this Mr. Clerk? No, sir. Okay, I am F recommendation on option number one was Mayor

been properly moved by Commissioner Richardson is seconded by the Mayor Pro Tem any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Passes unanimously. Five, zero item number 11.3. Madam Attorney,

item number 11.03 is introduction of ordinance number 2023 dash z dash 01. an ordinance of the City of Tallahassee amending the capital circle office complex plan unit development on the official zoning map with the City of Tallahassee located on approximately three 341 acres along capital circle South East between Blair Stone road and tram road on the official zoning map of the City of Tallahassee, providing for conflicts providing for severability and providing an effective date. recommended action has been changed on this Genda item to reflect a modification of the public hearing date at the applicants request. All notices required by the code will be reset amended option, the amended option. Option one is introduced ordinance number 23 dash z dash 01. And said the first and only public hearing for April 26 2023. At six o'clock pm in the City of Tallahassee City Commission chambers at City Hall and any ex parte disclosures concerning this item are available via the hyperlink included in the agenda item published in the board docs system.

Excellent as clerk do any public comment on this item? No, sir. All right. Colleagues, move staff recommendation on option number one, Mr. Mayor with the recommended amendment.

It has been properly moved with the recommended Amendment by Commissioner Richardson. Is there a second to the motion? Seconded by the Mayor Pro Tem any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Passes unanimously, five, zero. Do we have any other introduction of ordinances this evening, Madam Attorney? No, we do not. We're under policy formation and direction 12.0 to the vacant property registration. Mr. Manager.

City Manager Reese Goad

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This item provides an analysis of ordinance programs and models of pier cities throughout the state for addressing adverse effects of vacant and unmaintained property. Staff is seeking your approval to move forward with the development of an ordinance that will create a registration process for properties that fall into foreclosure. This will allow staff to access the most current contact information for the property owner and mortgagees so property maintenance issues can be addressed. It will also be a database and a resource to highlight future development opportunities in the community. A number of departments have worked on this. Dr. Kimball Thomas has the lead. He's joined by John Redick and Adam Jacobs I'd like Kimball to share just a few more details about how this could work what we envision and and seek your approval to move forward with an ordinance. Excellent.

Mayor Daley respective commissioners, the magic goat spective appointed officials, general public, you see the background information in your packet information that you have. This particular ordinance will give us an opportunity. Number one, with my next slide will It will provide a tool for us to minimize blight within our communities and that aligns with his national objectives. With the community development block grants that we see received from HUD with our home assistant program grants. With our emergency solutions grant that we received, we are required by HUD to make sure that we reduce and minimize blight as much as we possible with these funds. Such orders would give us an opportunity to enhance that and strengthen that it also aligns with our city's Strategic Plan objectives for voluntary code compliance. I have Adam Jacobs our resiliency and sustainability manager with me and Adam can too tell you that there probably is not a day doesn't go by that we're having conversations, how our resiliency officers and I want to give them credit, I'd be remiss if I did not how they work day to day to make sure that we get neighbors and in neighborhoods to understand not only resiliency and sustainability and neighborhood, but how we go through making sure that we enforce codes and make sure we get voluntary compliance. So it's aligned with our strategic plan objectives. And it would give us a database as they register into their properties that we can be in direct contact with the mortgagee make sure that we're having those conversations so they can keep those properties up. It brings more value to the neighborhoods, and also increased property values, as I Forrest said, and it highlights potential redevelopment opportunities that we will have from our office to make sure we continue to narrative to make sure we have a very vibrant neighborhood. Those are the highlights of this item. We're recommending option one with respect to this item, that you gave us an opportunity to prepare an ordinance that create this registration. And the process is for properties, including foreclosures. And John Redick here with our director of growth management has also played a vital part in this conversation. And He and Mr. Jacobs and I are here to answer any questions that you may have.

Any questions before we get to public comment? Mr. Richardson?

Thank you, Mr. Thomas wood, this ordinance that you all are proposing, as in the peer cities that I'm familiar with, right, that have done something similar create a source of revenue that we could possibly use, not against property owners. But those banks and lending institutions that are the owner as a result of foreclosure to generate a source of potential revenue? My intent would be for it to go into our affordable housing trust fund.

Absolutely. So that's certainly been part of the discussion and what we've seen for those municipalities that very well could happen. Okay.

Question. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Porter, actually, I

Commissioner Jack Porter

can wait until after a public comment. Okay.

How many speakers that we have on the side? Zero. Okay. Commissioner Porter.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Thank you. Um, okay, I just had a few questions. So for the option, one distaff have an opinion at this point, about the kind of model you're interested in? I see there's, you know, the hybrid model. I think the hybrid model makes sense, I think having as many, you know, ways to be notified and trigger this process, the better for minimizing blight. So do you have any ideas at this point about the model you prefer?

We're in those discussions with staff and other municipalities about which one has been more effective than the ones that are in place now.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Okay, and how, how exactly would we enforce this, especially, you know, the vacancy, and abandonment abandonment model?

And would you like to kind of talk on the process of how we currently look at code and what we tried to do with respect to voluntary compliance and making sure enforcement takes place?

Right now, when we can't locate a property owner, we go through a number of avenues it can be obviously looking at Leon County, property appraisers, but we'll talk to nearby neighbors. So any number of methods to try to get a hold of people, if they're there's nobody at the property, obviously, can be a bit of a challenge. So we take those steps, this would be an opportunity to make a more streamlined process. So that's what we'd be looking to do is to streamline the overall process.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Okay, and it's just either complaint driven or coming from a code enforcement officer, as far as how do we know that a property is has been vacant for a certain amount of time,

not necessarily complaint driven with that our overall complaints when we hear about a code violation that's complaint driven, will feel those calls or emails or what have you. And don't visit the property owner, but for the vacant property. People do complain to us about vacant properties. It's often an opportunity for illegal dumping or other types of activity that you don't want in your neighborhood. So we will field complaints on that, but the process would go a step beyond that.

Okay, thank you.

Mr. Matlin.

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

Thank you, Dr. Thomas. I guess my first question is, what problem are we trying to solve?

Well, we have issues where we have property that's not registered and you have a hard time trying to find the actual owner and who the mortgagee might be, this will give us a chance to have that registry. So we can create that database, we can begin to have the conversation about any violations or potential violations. And making sure that property comes in compliance is not the blight and the other things that we see in some of our areas.

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

Okay, if we're having a hard time contacting a property owner, how will they be contacted to know that they should go register?

The clerk of the court, if they've a bank have already filed a foreclosure, then that would give us some additional information as well.

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

Okay, I guess I'm a little bit out of a loss for what the actual then purpose of this would be. I heard Commissioner Richardson's comments, I understand, you know, that avenue of it, but it just seems like bureaucracy for bureaucracy sake, and there's not a real underlying issue that we're trying to solve. I know, we talked about rental registries in the past, I think, you know, maybe at the retreat, where if you have a rental property at all, you're on some sort of registry to make sure it's always in code compliance. So I'm really trying to wrap my head around what the actual purpose is, I know that there are several. So if we did set up a database that will be managed in house, or will we be looking for a vendor to set that up,

we would have the register, we have access to it through the clerk of the courts, and also at the same time to with those property owners, again, we get an opportunity to make sure that that property gets cleaned up, that property stays in compliance with code, and that we again, eliminate blight in the community and add value to that property for is looking at it in the future. But what it might be useful for for other purposes.

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

Okay, and now it would only be properties that have entered into foreclosure. That is correct. Okay. That's all the questions I have. Thank you,

Mayor, pro Tim,

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

in fact, to speak, on point, Commissioner, Matt Lowe, Michelle Richardson and I attended a conference last year where in other cities, they are doing this. And the reason they're doing this is because Dr. Thomas mentioned blight in the neighborhoods and communities. But many times banks are owning these properties. And they're letting them letting you know weeds and grass grow up and become a real problem in the neighborhood. I've actually had constituents who are trying to find owners of properties, for us to find out later on, after much searching, that it was all about banking, they just needed to come by and mow the grass, you know, keep the neighborhood looking good. So it's more than just that it's for safety purposes. Some of our elders have indicated that these houses are, these properties are growing up, and there could be things leaving of Rowan in there that they might not want there. So that here's an opportunity, as some of the other cities expressed, if banks are owning these, and banks need to maintain and keep these communities clear and safe. So this is there's no silver bullet, but we got it, you know, this is an opportunity to try something. And of course, if they are not doing that, then of course, there is a, you know, income opportunity here, but they're gonna be fine. And, you know, banks are in the habit of, of charging fees and not necessarily paying fee. So it's up to him to turn the tables on him sort of maybe maybe they have more grass and neighborhood.

Mr. Marlow,

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

thank you, Commissioner. Well, it's actually a follow up on that comment, then just out of here, how many code enforcement cases per year do we have where we can't contact the owner because of a blighted property with overgrown grass that's been gone. And that data, I'm gonna estimate for us?

Resilience officers reached out to me every day, I hear about these issues several times a week where it's a challenge to get the property owner or any number of reasons, but oftentimes is tied to oh, it turns out it was owned by this by a bank or an investor or whatever.

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

And wherever we go, when we if we're bringing this ordinance back or what have you, I'm just curious to really figure out those now, what are we trying to solve? Is there a real underlying issue where it's so pervasive that we're pushing for this or if not, that's what I'm just trying to gain more understanding of? Thank you,

Mr. Richardson. Yeah. And as the Mayor Pro Tem mentioned, our interest was piqued in this at that initial meeting a year or so ago, and I've had some follow up conversations with others, and apparently, it can serve as a source of income for our affordable housing trust fund. I mean, whatever that amount is. Apparently, it's working in I think even the county has an ordinance if I'm not mistaken, but it is working in other municipalities in the state. So we wanted to just give it a try. and see what we could get out of it. We know that affordable housing is one of our top priorities as a community. And this is just an opportunity for us to generate some revenue, not from property owners, but from those institutions, the lending institutions that are delinquent in taking care of properties that they own. It's an opportunity for us to generate some revenue for our trust fund, and to provide services for those in the community who are in need of affordable housing.

Especially Porter.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, do we have any idea what kind of revenue is generated from programs like this and other places?

Me Sure, I don't have the exact numbers right now in front of me. But certainly, we'll have staff look into that. And I'll get that information to the office of the city manager for your review. Thank you,

Mayor Pro Tem, but beyond

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

the income. As a resident of the south side, let me just say this, there are a number of properties that are owned by banks due to foreclosure that have gone, become neglected and become eyesores in our communities. Whether we make a penny off of it or not, it is going to be to the benefit of keeping our neighborhoods looking like people live there. And not all grown up because banks don't come back to check on it. So we need them to come if you own the property, you need to come by and make sure that it's clear. So that's, that's my driving force. When I first heard about it, I was thinking Oh, of course, we need to make sure that our neighborhoods like other neighborhoods and other places, and don't just come put up a you know, a foreclosure sign and then don't come back and just let it grow up and become an eyesore and an unsafe place. So I'm, I'm in favor of this, and we'll support it. Well, that reason and the income that may come from it is just a bonus. But more importantly, we want our communities to look like everybody else's community looks and we need the bank to come go cut grass.

Is that a motion for staff recommend? Absolutely. Mr.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Mayor, Rob Lee Moved.

Second Commissioner Porter.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So I just want to clarify this. wouldn't necessarily, and correct me if I'm wrong, change anything we're doing. Because we're already you know, we already have code enforcement that responds to these kinds of vacant properties. So this isn't, you know, in addition to what we're doing, it just creates a registry. And, and it allows us to levy fines,

is inclusive of that commission. But as well as again, the database will give us an opportunity to build relationships with those mortgages and whomever the holders on this property, and it will give us an opportunity to have contact information, it will give us an opportunity, again, to make sure we're in compliance with our national or, you know, housing and urban development goals as far as eliminating blight in our community. enhances that that narrative.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Okay. I just want to make sure that for those listening, we are, you know, we are currently Yes. enforcing our code. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you.

Mr. mallet.

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I'm gonna support the motion. I guess what he's getting at as commissioners. I like to see those numbers when this comes back. How many vacant foreclosure properties are we trying to bring into compliance that we're missing? This would be helpful for how much potential revenue could this generate, that other communities are saying, you know, those things, I think could build a case for why we should do this. I just just the idea of the ordinance, I failed to see what we're really trying to address. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. All right.

There's motion on the table for option number one recommended by staff by the Mayor Pro Tem seconded by Commissioner. No further discussion, all those in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Passes unanimously. Five, zero. Thank you. We're on item number 12.03. This manager

City Manager Reese Goad

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, this item seeks your approval to apply for the 2023 Raise grant that that's a grant you will recall you approved the application and 2022 the grant is the US Department of Transportation rebuilding America infrastructure with sustainability and equity grant star Metro made the application for the Southside transit center. It was very competitive made the final but not it was not awarded. In the end. Staff has worked with us D O T to approve the application. We've continued forward with the project and the design. And we're asking your approval to again apply this year. In addition, we wanted to give you a check in on where we stand with the South Side transit center and kind of see where we are and you Hear those next steps. Jason Lawrence is here to provide the presentation. He's tagging in for Angela Baldwin, which you see so often she's under the weather. But we're in good hands with Jason Hill, give us an update on the grant and where we're headed with the Southside transit center. Jason, great to see you.

Thank you, Mr. City Manager, and thank you, Mayor and commissioners. So I'd like to start off by giving you a brief update on where we are with the Southside transit center. Next slide, please. So we're about halfway through the conceptual design phase. And in the coming months, we look forward to getting back out in the community and getting feedback on that conceptual design. Once that design is completed later on this year, we will move forward with the groundbreaking in early 2024. Next slide. So here's just a map that shows you the placement of the Southside transit center along with all the other initiatives that are going on in the area. There's a park across the street, as well as the multi use trail that is being constructed by blueprint. Next slide. So as the city manager introduced star measures seeks approval to apply for and expend funds for the rebuilding America's infrastructure through sustainability and equity grant, otherwise known as raise which is one of the many competitive grant programs that arose from the bipartisan infrastructure bill last year. So the raise grant allows for project sponsors at the state and local level to obtain funding for multimodal transportation projects that are a bit more difficult to support through DLTs normal funding sources. Raise grant raised projects are selected on several areas of merit, as you can see those perfectly aligned with the city's strategic plan. And as the city manager did mention, we did apply for this grant opportunity in 2022. And just to give you some context, there were over 900 applications that were submitted 303 of those including SAR metros, made it to the secretary's desk, and 166 of those were eventually awarded. And since then, we work to revamp our application by working with our partners across the city as well as with our city consultant ICF. Department the application. Next slide. So if awarded the raise grant will retreat achieve the strategic plan objective of constructing the Southside transit center by 2024. Next slide. Hanson could include our application is seeking up to $20 million in total with the cost shares demonstrated before you in today we seek approval to submit the application and expend the funds upon awarding.

City Manager Reese Goad

Miss. Excellent, thank you, Jason, let me I want to connect this back to a question and Commissioner Richardson you asked earlier at the workshop about seeking dollars. And you heard that we believe we have a good opportunity at the federal level. This is one of those projects where we believe that to be true, we're ready. It's with the direction of the commission. We've done a lot of work. We feel very confident federal government has confidence in us that we've got a plan. We've got an almost complete design. It exactly meets what we believe their objective is and the city Commission's objective. And so I think that timing is appropriate. And I just wanted to connect that back to your question about how we're searching for these dollars that are available.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So Okay. Oops. Okay. So are we applying? Are we essentially submitting the same or a similar application that we did previously?

No. So the new application has a couple other components that, again, we're working with our consultants and make sure that we address we have explore some other options in terms of amenities to eventually add to this outside transit center. And those amenities will be included as a part of this application.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Okay, but it's still we're still talking about construction for the Southside transit center.

That's correct. Okay. Okay.

Commissioner Jack Porter

And do we have I see there's the the matching funds, this is something we've already accounted for. Is that correct? Mr. Manager?

City Manager Reese Goad

Actually, Jason probably can answer it better. I believe it was in two parts blueprint in dollars, which we do have accounted for and a million dollars from the city. That's correct. Which we have reserved. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Do

I have any public comment on the side and Mr. Clerk? No, sir. Mason, you've done a wonderful job. Thank you so much.

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

We'll have acceptance of that recommendation.

Again. Mayor Pro Tem is properly moves that recommendation seconded by Commissioner Richardson. Any further comment? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye? Aye. All Those opposed Passes unanimously, five, zero. Do we have any other business come before the City Commission this evening? No, sir. All right. We are on Agenda speakers. Mr. Clerk?

Mayor, I have four speakers this evening. The first will be Mike Goldstein. As he comes forward, I'll thank each of our speakers may have been here before, but remind you that you'll have three minutes for remarks and the light in front of the mayor and Mayor Pro Tem will start off green and and ultimately turn yellow, and then red when your time has expired.

Thank you for joining us your name and address for the record, please.

Sure. Mike Goldstein to unsend was Second Avenue. Happy February. I guess we're back to the monthly meetings. Think back in December. Mr. Mayor, you had said that you support the arts with the Koch on on unrestricted funding. So I'm just trying to make him aware that in April 1, not a joke, I started paper, peripheral blues club is closing. So I'm sure it's a history of its culture there too. But I still see the warehouse in game Street vacant and not torn down yet. So how do we as a community come together and preserve that as a foster historical and cultural marker to bring people here year round for economic development? What's right in the middle of college town, maybe between both universities? So how can we still save the warehouse with the Bethel blues club closing in a few months. So that's my big, real thing to see about. Because, as it still stands, it's not torn down yet. And it was brought up a few years ago as student housing but they left town and it's just still unfortunate eyesore, but a cultural icon as well. So I'd like to see something or at least an answer of like, what's going to happen with the warehouse when it's just standing there as a building that's basically getting appreciated every time it's not being looked at, for anything. So that's what I'd ask is maybe something could come of it Community Center, something to bring people there, like CUNY projects to clean up the area around it, because it's right in between the developments around it. And it's literally just sitting there waiting for something to happen. So that's my main thing for that. But the rest of my time is a session coming up. The other concern I still have is the off duty police activity or lack thereof, because of the fact that the system changed after COVID. So now, it's not on the control of the venues anymore. The city took over, and it's a third party app. So what's the next step for that? When something God forbid, happens? That's too late to stop? Because is the fault on the venue for not offering enough to incentivize, please come out? Or is it on the city for taking too long to get to the actual consequence of what happens from that? So what does that look like in a few months when the session comes? And after hours from City Hall, and from the capital, they come down to places that have been known to frequent those people over the years? What do we do to help prevent things that could happen before they get too late? So I'm trying to figure out my fate. I see this a lot when I'm out. But what's the solution for getting a unified option to prevent something that could happen that makes the news and makes us national news, not just localized news? What does that look like going forward? Because we can't just keep letting things happen too late. Otherwise, it doesn't make the news because the time delay of police officers getting to these venues after hours, doesn't help matters, because then that makes the news and it makes the city look bad at that point. And we don't want that because we are top rated for a lot of good things. But going forward, we need to figure out something to be amicable to the police force that we support, and the venues that provide entertainment and you have 15 seconds. I know just how do we get to the point of something that's compromisable to help with public safety at night when now the system has changed over the years to become something that in my opinion worse.

Thank you. Our next speaker, please.

Next speaker is Freddie Miller. And then we'll hear from Cheryl Collier Brown.

Thanks for joining us your name and address for the record.

Yeah, well, we agree this. Okay. Good afternoon, Mayor Daley commissioners. Once again, I want to thank everybody for thank you guys for my Luther King parade. Once again, a great achievement. Next year, we will include Florida State ban, but it is what it is. All right. I'm here. I'm here talking about gun control in Tallahassee. We got so many homicides and shootings going on every just about every night. So I'm here to try to throw some ideas as you guys concerning ammunition control, because I don't think we're going to ever get past the second amendment for us gun control, but we limit the amount of ammunition is me. And so because this is a college town with probably over 50,000 or more kids here in the city, doing during school season, high schools, middle schools, colleges, we have so many young people here. So that means that there's A lot of gangs around here. So what we need to do is limit the amount of ammunition being sold in a way they are being sold, because most of these guns that are being used and these, these shootings are being stolen. So it's not a bad law abiding citizens that are doing the shooting, but it their weapons are being used in the shootings, because they're not locking them up properly. So I think we was to pass some type of referendum concerning the sales of ammo and owner where you can buy ammo is because you have the registration for that weapon that your van Dam will fall, just like you buy a car just like you steal a car, I can borrow a tag for it. So I think we need to look into some things like that we got this is not a new, you know, this is not new. This is Oh way to do things because we got San Francisco passed this law with where they tried to pass it and where they've got a limit on it to Senator Daniel Mahoney, Monahan and then you got representative, Debbie Schultz, that was involved with the Jamie law down in Sunrise, Florida, also trying to do these things. So this is not a new decision. No, nothing new, it is something that we need to help him out here in Tallahassee, because of the fact that we have so many young people here, I think that we could do some type of special session, just because of the amount of young people we have here. Not only that, but we need to limit the amount of ammunition that's being sold either to gun owners, legal gun owners, because a lot of the people are stockpiling ammunition in their homes. And if their homes catch on fire, we're gonna have like a mass shooting just because of the fire that started in the home because some of these guys got over 5000 rounds. We need a red flag ban, ammunition owned land in the city. Thank you. So thank you very much for your time.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem,

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Miller. Mr. Miller, and I've had this conversation before and I've asked the city attorney to provide some information in the past and I thought I'd pass it on to Mr. Miller, but just in case, I didn't. I'm gonna ask if I can ask the attorney to advise us on this. Attorney.

Thank you, Mayor. As you know, the city at one point did attempt to challenge the preemption that is in Florida Statutes regarding firearms and ammunition. And the Florida Supreme Court advised us as we as it is stated in in the statute, that there is a total preemption to the state or any regulations involving firearms or ammunition. And so we are precluded from even you are entertaining such legislation, which could possibly expose you to fines.

Mr. Miller, I'm afraid that we are preempted by the state of Florida Legislature, the previous administration, law passed in the legislature as it all local governments, not only can I entertain legislation on the local level in regards to guns or ammunition, we had to remove all local ordinances, books, to the attorney just mentioned, the Tallahassee joined in with other cities challenge this new law in court. The years just recently, it's gone before our Supreme Court and unfortunately, the municipalities lost. So as of right now, the way how the state law, as the attorney just mentioned, we are preempted. We are not allowed to implement any local laws, regards firearms or ammunition, or is any municipality.

Okay, thank you very much. Well, I think that we will still try to go towards the emergency order, or something in that way because of the normal homeside Normal kids. But anyway, anyway, I thought I'd throw that at you guys. Thank you for your time.

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

I encourage you to encourage you to go across the street. Again in March 1. After the legislative session, you go over there and and God that deals at them. They're the ones who can do something about it.

And at this point are considering an open carry no permit law for Florida. So that addresses your issue cross street. We're all with you.

Thank you. Our next speaker please.

Cheryl Collier Brown, followed by Michael McLachlan

rams. Great to see you your name and address.

Mer commissioners, Reese advantage. Okay. I came up to thank us To the employees, we were having a problem with a vacant property, which will give you an example, why we need working with him. We have this house that was next door, no utilities, no lights, no, no, they were coming over to the hood, utilizing our lights. I was excetera. So we were going back and forth trying to find out who owned it. But do their due diligence. They found out came over their past that they thank you, Jesus is cleaned up, cleaned up, and I stopped and I thank the gentleman they were cleaning up outside, I came up here purposely to thank them in person over the air. So they'll know that I appreciate what is being done with that property over there. And I am so glad that you also had to clarify, they had a hard time at first locating the person because it was in probate or whatever. But it's done. And I guess when I arrived back there, it'd be Peace in heaven because Navajo has a clean slate next door. And I want to thank you all publicly. Reggie, everybody who did the due diligence for us in the police department because I call a nice little rat back to make sure they weren't over there trust as in in the evening time. So I just want my mama say you give people their plow so y'all can smell them. So they are there for you. Thank you.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Our next speaker, please.

Next speaker is Michael McLachlan. And that's the last speaker I have Mayor McLaughlin. spoken before I don't see him Lachlan. There's more.

Last things coming.

Before I know you're waiting, name and address for the record, please. Thanks for joining us.

Hey, hello, everyone. I'm trying to catch my breath. I just ran in here. The power outage had me mess up a little bit. My name is Greg Martinez. I'm a resident of Tallahassee. And I do apologize, I do not have the materials. For you all I want to present you all with the images. But if if you all could help me Could you identify this item? Please. And commissioners are Mr. Mayor,

City or Tallahassee logo?

It is the city. Yes, thank you, Commissioner Richardson. It is the City of Tallahassee logo. Unfortunately, though, that is the first thing that comes to mind when we when we do see this image. But with the white background and the blue coin. That's also the sea of Tallahassee US flag. And I think it's a pretty boring flag, we used to have another pretty boring flag with a white background that this flag replaced. We have a bicentennial celebration coming up. This doesn't look like the flag of a city that's been the state capitol for 200 years. I just thought, you know, maybe when we have some time to consider bringing a new design, maybe open up a competition amongst the public, or just something. Because if we're going to reflect on 200 years of our city's history, look forward, look inward and just see where we are as a city. something besides this would be a great example to you know, help reflect our values, what we hope to achieve where we've been, I have other examples, which I can bring up to you all, so you can see them. This was the City of Tallahassee flag that our other generic flag replaced. It's the tri colored Star logo that first came about in 2002. That replace this 1986 flag which we see a lot of manhole covers have this logo, this flag came before it and we had this flag back in the 50s I think there may have been one flag prior to this one. This was designed by a I guess the head of the art department at Florida State College of women. But just another great example of how the community was able to come together and design something that looks better than you know something that you would see on the side of a city truck or a water tower which this is a great logo. You have about 15 seconds it works great for a logo but For a 200 year old city, I think we can do better. Just something to consider. Thank you.

I love the idea. Not the first time we've heard that we should have a public contest. get the community involved, redesign the flag. So we take your comments. Seriously, and let's see where we can go with it. Thanks for coming. Appreciate it. I had never seen the history of all of the flags that you presented today as well. That's pretty cool. Clark, we have any other public comment?

Do not have any other speakers. All right, let's get

to the sharing of ideas. Commissioner Porter, we'll start with you and work our way down.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, I just on the topic of the Bicentennial, I wanted to share something that I heard from a resident and I will direct him to maybe reach out to visit Tallahassee and the other groups that are, you know, working with them to coordinate this resident really wanted to, you know, we all I think watched, and I can't even remember the the documentary about Leon County's history of slavery and how significant it was compared to even other other counties. And it was really important to him that that be that our history in that sense be included. So I just wanted to put that out there. But I will direct him to speak to others. I did want to ask if we could, whether it's a motion, I really want to see if staff could bring back a we talked about this at the retreat, a strategy for increasing the number of low income and extremely low income affordable housing units. I know there are a lot of plans and strategies we have currently. But I would love to see a targeted strategy. It doesn't have to be that. You know, that complicated or in depth, but just whether there's specific grant opportunities, funding sources, whatever there is, I'd really like to see a way that we can increase those units, even if it's just a goal, or you know, how many units we think we can get in the next couple of years. So I don't know if that, you know, would require a motion, I would just love, even if it's just an informational item about maybe what other cities are doing to target those or to increase those units. I would really like to see that.

Reporter If you wouldn't mind, I know that's exactly what Mr. Richardson, portable housing Advisory Council, they're, they're working on this right now. Okay. And always thinking creatively on how to bring more units online. They should be producing a report for this year. That is update where we are and where we're going. I think that would be the appropriate first start is with the Advisory Council and let them work. It's our housing staff. That is working, bring their ideas before us for consideration.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Do we have any idea when that report will be made? Or coming to completed?

I don't. Okay. And not only does the city have? Committee, right, the joint committee does meet jointly in intervals as well. So, but that is something that we're working on. Come up with that. That kind of information here.

Commissioner Jack Porter

Okay, thank you.

Mr. Matlow.

Commissioner Jeremy Matlow

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess to start off on Mr. Miller's point, and Commissioner Richardson's as well, the the legislature is considering this year unlicensed, concealed carry of firearms in our community, which is probably one of the most reckless proposals we've heard. In the last, you know, few years. We are preempted. State and courts have ruled of our own implementation. But I do think we should have a conversation in our community of we're the we're the government that will bear the brunt of bad decisions. And what does that look like now right now in Florida, you can go purchase a gun from a private seller without any type of background check. And now if this passes, you'll be able to carry that wherever wherever you want and a community that has grappling with gun violence, you know, already. I don't know if we can get this data or if law enforcement has an opinion on it, but how many guns that are being carried illegally right now in our community will be legalized overnight. It if that passes, how many people are concealing, carrying in our community with a illegally acquired firearm but illegally carrying it? Conceal? They're out now. And now we're going to go ahead and overnight, effectively legalize that. I mean, it's it's insane. It's reckless and it's going to have real consequences. I on the people of Tallahassee, so I just wanted to say that on a lighter note, I think this flag idea is a great conversation to have. I do remember I think six, eight years ago, there was a big talk about having a competition. I think with the Bicentennial coming up. Maybe that's something that isn't Tallahassee could look at incorporating having some sort of competition. I think that'll be great. I think it'll pride. I think the flag could look a lot better, as well. And Happy Birthday, Mr. Cook. We're about to get out of here.

Thank you, Commissioner.

Thank you, Mr. Richards.

I didn't have anything. I would, though, if I don't have any problems considering another flight. But I know that there was a process when that one was adapted. I don't know if they went out to the public with something or but I because I wasn't involved directly at that point. But we want to make sure that we take that into consideration, if in fact, but I think the idea of having to visit Tallahassee and the Bicentennial committee, take a look at I only support.

Mayor Pro Tem.

Commissioner Dianne Williams-Cox

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, I just want to go back to the fact that we did a proclamation earlier today for Black History Month. And I wanted to acknowledge that there are a number of activities that are happening in our community to highlight the contributions of meaning blacks, African Americans, not only in his community, but in across the world. There is a husky airmen program that will be held on Sunday at tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church at 9:30am. It is being sponsored by the MLK Foundation of Florida. And Dr. Burglar will be the historian who will be providing information regarding the Tuskegee Airmen. And I also know that visit Tallahassee, Olga, and several others are also highlighting the writer house, also highlighting events that are taking place throughout the city. And I encourage all of us to go learn something, not just rely on sound bites that others are saying about what's the value was not a value was woken was not woke, go and educate yourself. Because as long as we are living, we should be learning. And we should be learning about each other. And so I'm just encouraging all of us. It's because I'm blind. I mean, I know everything about all black people. I'm going to continue to learn as well. So I'm encouraging all of us to learn something this month, next month, the month after it all yellow. So I wanted to I wanted to say that. I also want it to as it is the most the most Oh, Fulani in audience, you all do a tremendous job in trying to keep our streets clean. But one of the places that I want to tell y'all that and I know it's not us, I think it's dumb and I'm so I'm hoping that they're listening Magnolia place that I'm from I know where my my office away from offices, you know those dumpsters out there. I don't know what they're doing. It looks like body bags out there. And I know, whenever I contact you, I'll go over there and get it cleaned up. But nobody needs to make them clean it up over there. Because if you haven't food places, you want people to come and eat there. It's kind of hard to do that when you see all this garbage that you're just putting out there. And it's not in the dumpsters, it's on the ground. And even I just drove through the hammock Donald's and over to the Walgreens. It's like somebody's not doing what they need to do over there. So get them ready. Make them do what they're supposed to do. Thank you. Thank you for always, you know, going out there to try to keep us clean, but they need to help us as

Mr. Clerk Happy Birthday, sir. So, in closing, today has been a great day. We had a wonderful budget workshop earlier today. And once again, I want to thank the team that makes up our budget team are all the amazing work they do. This is a $1.2 billion operation at the City of Tallahassee. Robert, you and your team are absolutely no exhausted days like today, but I'm just so proud to work every day with the fine men and women in Tallahassee. Hey, at a power outage, downtown Tallahassee it impacted streets roads traffic courthouse city, in the middle of the day. Race your team did an amazing job. And everybody pulls together just makes me makes me proud to be a part of the City of Tallahassee family, please, in all departments, make sure that everybody knows how much we appreciate them working around the clock. Really working hard this afternoon. keep everything running. We will thank you with that. It is 552 and we stand adjourned.